Re: [Corpora-List] Numpties and bennies: Google searches as linguistic evidence

From: Ramesh Krishnamurthy (r.krishnamurthy@aston.ac.uk)
Date: Thu Dec 07 2006 - 13:06:12 MET

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    Hi Diana
    Sorry about the brevity of my previous email.
    I didn't mean to be rude, just in a hurry as usual...

    But I was raising a genuine concern of mine. An experience last year:
    challenged in
    my daughter's school playground by 2 mothers who had heard of my
    involvement with
    writing dictionaries, I was asked to resolve their dispute: "is
    unpunctual a word, can I
    say unpunctual".

    It was not listed in any of the printed 6 or 7 native-speaker (US and UK) and
    learner's dictionaries I looked at. There were 15 occurrences in Bank
    of English (5 in British
    Magazines, 4 in Independent, and a few one-offs), so below the normal
    threshold for inclusion
    in Cobuild at the time.

    But I found 4320 hits on Google (43,100 today!
    - so has its usage increased, or has Google's trawl just got
    bigger?), mostly entries in
    online dictionaries (based on each other?)... but also 9000+ for
    impunctual, 5000 for non-punctual,
    500 for nonpunctual, 400 for contrapunctual, 11 for apunctual, and 7
    for anti-punctual...

    When I looked closer at the hits, most of the hits for impunctual
    were from a 1913 USA dictionary,
    most of the hits for non(-)punctual were (technical use) from
    linguistics texts, and
    most hits for contrapunctual were from music texts.

    So I told the mothers that unpunctual was a valid word form
    (ie created according to valid derivational rules)
    but that it wasn't very widely used.

    PS I've just noticed a discussion on unpunctual at
    http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=105391

    Best
    Ramesh

    At 09:36 07/12/2006, Diana Maynard wrote:
    >Yes, I should have been more explicit, I didn't mean in all cases!
    >Diana
    >
    >Ramesh Krishnamurthy wrote:
    >>
    >>>>I guess this demonstrates the power of the internet over the BNC
    >>>>as a corpus.....
    >>
    >>For rare events, events post-1994, and events beyond British
    >>English, perhaps...
    >>There's still the problem of reliability...

    Ramesh Krishnamurthy

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