[Corpora-List] Language Classification by Numbers

From: Yuri Tambovtsev (yutamb@mail.cis.ru)
Date: Sun Sep 24 2006 - 12:27:35 MET DST

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    Subject : How natural and real are the language families
    in the new book on world languages by April and Robert McMahon "Language Classification by Numbers"?
    Dear colleagues in the field of linguistics, I hope all the books are available for you. It is not so in my case, unfortunately. I found some short information about the book by April and Robert McMahon "Language
    Classification by Numbers". - Oxford: Oxford University
    Press, 2005. I failed to get this book to read. This is
    why, I can't say if I disagree or if I totally agree
    with the authors' analysis. Does this book use any new
    numerical data, like the compactness?
    I wish the authors would express some new ideas,
    certainly regarding the most well-known taxa like
    Uralic (Finno-Ugric and Samoyedic), Indo-European, and
    Altaic (Turkic, Mongolic and Tungus-Manchurian),
    especially. About other language families I do not know
    that much however, having studied only of them. In
    my personal opinion F-U and I-E are indeed some sort of
    Sprachbund. I also wonder if you totally agree with
    the following statement of mine: " though the
    fundamentals of the definitions of these language families
    are rather weak and obsolete, they have never been
    reconsidered. In physics, mathematics, chemistry,
    biology and other natural sciences the fundamentals of
    classifications are analysed and reconsidered by every
    generation of the scholars". I wrote my papers on
    the classification of world languages from the point
    of view of quantitative phonology and typology.
    I wonder how the current theories of language taxa
    tested in this book. I wonder if this book formulates
    new ideas and demonstrate new language taxa? I wonder
    if new convincing results are produced?
    I wonder if there are many new publications
    which prove on phonological or phonetical level that
    classically defined language families and other language
    taxons are natural and real? I mean Indo-European,
    Finno-Ugric, Samoyedic, Tungus-Manchirian, Mongolic, Turkic,
    Paleo-Asiatic, Sino-Tibetan, Austronesian, Afroasiatic and
    other classically defined language families. It looks like
    some of them are not very compact from the phono-typological
    point of view. It seems to me that all the world linguists
    are quite happy with the defined language families, though
    the fundamentals of these definitions are rather weak and
    obsolete. The linguists do not want to trouble the
    "sleeping dogs". Why is it so that in physics,
    mathemathics, chemistry, biology and other natural
    sciences the fundamentals of classifications
    are analysed and reconsidered by every generation of
    the scholars. Why it is Not so in linguistics? Or may
    be I am not aware of such critical works, since US and
    European linguistic journals are not available for me.
    I have calculated the compactness of several language
    families from the typological point of view
    and discovered that there is a great difference between
    them. The most compact is the Mongolic language family Its
    dispersion is only 10.78%, while the dispertion of the
    Tungus-Manchurian (18.60%) or Turkic (18.77%) language
    families is greater. The dispersion of Finno-Ugric (24.14%)
    or Indo-European (28.00%) language families is much greater.
    It may mean that Finno-Ugric or Indo-European families are
    not natural and real families, but some sort of
    conglomerations or Sprachbunds. Not to speak of the
    dispersion of the Altaic (25.97%) or Uralic (28.31%)
    language unities which should never be called language
    families if we consider a language family some more compact
    language taxon. In this case, only Mongolic language family
    seems to be natural and real. Should we consider the other
    language families language unities or Sprachbunds? Or what?
    May be some sparce language unions or language communities?
    Or what? Is it not the high time to define language taxons:
    1) branch;
    2) subgroup;
    3) grpoup;
    4) family;
    5) unity;
    6) union;
    7) filia;
    8) community.
    Any other taxons?
    I wish you could send me your ideas about language families
    and the other language taxons to my correct e-mail address
    yutamb@mail.ru Is it possible to publish my article
    about it in some journal? I wonder if you could tell me
    more details expressed in this new book "Language
    Classification by Numbers" (2005)? How is the defusion
    of the world languages measured in the exact numbers?
    Looking forward to hearing from
    you soon to yutamb@mail.ru Your sincerely Yuri
    Tambovtsev



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