[Corpora-List] The Language I D

From: Dr Hatch (drhatch@bitsyu.net)
Date: Wed Oct 19 2005 - 00:33:45 MET DST

  • Next message: Rob Freeman: "Re: [Corpora-List] Looking for linguistic principles"

    Excuse any double posting. This seemed to have been rejected the first time.
    Noam's warriors everywhere?

    Dear Diana, Mike, Stefan, et al

    The topic became clear to me on reading Diana's contribution. If her ... of
    Sampson's thesis (assuming the two books mentioned = 1 thesis). One initial
    query, though, is the extent to which Pinker (in TLI) follows the Chomskian
    line.

    As for the core debate, I've always thought it was about what Popper would
    call 'empiricism' versus the very antithesis of that ­ ie the Chomskian ­
    psycholinguistic ­ paradigm.

    Culling the clearest statements from those writers who espouse the Chomskian
    position one gets the following:

        1. The corpus of language babies=>toddlers are
            exposed to is insufficient account for their early
            mastery of language (and/and therefore its grammar).

        2. Nevertheless, at an early age (circa 3- 5) children are
            able to master their native language.

        3. Therefore, we are born with what is variously called
            'Universal Grammar', a 'Language Acquisition Device',
            a 'language instinct', etc 'hot wired' into our brains.

    And, although many Chomskians protest that this paradigm is open to
    empirical refutation, they typically reject or ignore all refutations.
    And the paradigm is eminently refutable. In my paper "Chomskian linguistics:
    God's truth or hocus pocus", Ethnographic Studies, 4, 1999 (available from
    myself at the above e-address) I point out the following:

        a. The hypothesis that the 'corpus babies=>toddlers are
    exposed to is insufficient is not ­ in any sense ­ an empirical
    statement. [In fact it is as much dogma as hypothesis.]

        b. A child's 'mastery' of its native language ­ including parts of
    the grammar ­ is often deficient until it is 5 or 6.

        c. The hypothesised UG, or whatever, can be replaced by an
            hypothesised facility (found in at least all mammals) that may
    be called the active pattern recognition facility ­ or
    somesuch. This would enable us to account for more than
            just linguistic ability.

    As for 'behaviourism', well Chomsky won more than his spurs by attacking
    Skinner's extremely primitive version of that psychological perspective. And
    Chomskians have been attacking Skinnerian behaviourism ­ and, of course, a
    catchall they call 'positivism' ­ which seems, as far as they are concerned,
    includes 'behaviourism'. In fact, thosein "machine learning circles",
    mentioned by Rob, are obviously canny types. All the evidence suggests that
    languages have to be learned. It's just that none of us learn like dim
    Pavlovian dogs.

    But, as I flunked my phonology course as a fresher, perhaps someone explain
    what the hell all this has to do with that subdiscipline ­ in NORMAL
    language.

    It has been a nice series of postings. Some real core issues. So thanks.

    David
        



    This archive was generated by hypermail 2b29 : Wed Oct 19 2005 - 01:00:59 MET DST